Sky Attendance

[Birgitte]

Attendance Rules

Points are added to your attendance point total based on the following criteria:Farming/God runs:
Stay for more than three hours or for the entire run = 1 Point
Stay for 1.5 hours but less than 3 = .5 Point
Stay for less than 1.5 hours = 0 PointsKirin runs:
Stay for 1 or more Kirin = 1 Point
Stay for the majority of a Kirin = .5 Point
Stay for less than 1/2 of a Kirin Run = 0 PointsIf you miss more then 5 consecutive runs, you will be labeled as inactive. While on inactive status you must receive and additional 5 attendance points in order to becoming active again. Once you achieve active status you will be able to lot again.


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Click the link to get to the spreadsheet.

If you have any issues with attendance or lots please PM me on Mirodin or talk to me in game.

http://www.seedsofinsanity.com/SoI%20Sky%20Spreads heets.xls

[Ghostwalker]

:( I dont have excel registered... cant see the Sheet.

[Birgitte]

Hmmm Excel is the only way to post it - I can give you the info you want verbally so to speak but this time around the only thing I am posting picture wise is the Member List with their jobs and wants since its such a pain in the butt to format and then upload them every time the info changes. If you need to know anything just ask but you can see your point total on the Member list. Pretty much can figure out if you are lotting something by comparing yourself to the person who also wants to lot. If you have it shaded gray you cant lot yet it if its white background you can. I think so far the only thing that you are actually up to lot is... M Hands since Nazaron is DTs mule and he'd let you have over that. The rest have other ppl in front of you. Whenever something drops I let ppl know who is lotting then so you will always know ahead of time.

Any other questions just ask.

[Florella]

Don't worry about it birg. He can see it on my computer. I don't know why he even posted that...

[Birgitte]

Lmao. . . .

[Ghostwalker]

i posted that because i can only check on your laptop when you'r actually at my place silly woman.
Either way Birg its ok, i'll figure it out.

[Florella]

He's just a tad slow... XD

[Birgitte]

L M A O ~~~

[Nuisence]

I see D. Head on my list, I already received that dorp ^^.

[Birgitte]

okieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Gaaara]

I am proposing to change the attendance rule back to 0 points for non-attendance. I am not going to try to make a big fuss out of it, and it is partly my blame for fault in not objecting to these changes in the first place because I do not like to mess with LS politics, but I feel we need to change this rule back to 0 points for non-attendance.

ppl have lives and do stuff outside of this game, for instance me missing several sky runs simply because my friends asking me to hang out together. LS members should not be penalized for not joining an online event, giving them 0 points for that day is enough. It's worked before this change, and I believe it would and should work now.

I am asking for a vote on who feels we should change the deduction system back to the 0 system.

Vote Yes for a 0 point system for non-attendance

Vote No for keep the deduction system

My Vote is Yes

[Gaaara]

Disregard everything said above.

[Birgitte]

I took off the negative points on the spreadsheets. We as leaders are going to see if you as members of this LS can still come to sky and help out without there being any repercussions for you not being there. If you start to continuously act sketchy you will simply be kicked from the LS. We understand where Gaaara and Yoyo and others are coming from and for now their will be no rule.

The only reason this rule was ever put in place was so that people would show up - there is nothing worse than a bunch of us gathering for sky intending to do something but in turn getting nothing done because not enough of the right jobs came up.

But we are grown adults here and we shouldn't have to punish you like children. You should act responsible.

The people that put the time in and effort to make sure this ls as a whole succeeds will in turn succeed in getting what they want.

We will be starting Sea soon and we don't want to be starting that off on a bad note.

We respect all of you and all your opinions and therefor will see how it goes from here taking this one into consideration whether or not he rescinded it because I understand how others who agreed in one way or another feel.

[Gaaara]

I wasn't going to touch this subject anymore after seeing how volatile it got, and I was going to say just leave it as it is now, but I just came up with the idea after Birg wiped all the negatives.

How about this.... We keep same deduction rule right now, but the deductions are only temporary. One month later(8 runs) after that person's missed run they can recover any negatives they have incurred in that time, assuming they do not miss a month of runs. If they however missed a run again within that month's time, then the one month cycle restarts on that day's missed run. When it is time to lot, say if i have
60-2 points and someone else has 59 points, that puts me at 58 points vs their 59 and they can lot over me etc. in same lot group etc. If i continue 8 consecutive runs after my deduction, I can get that -2 back and put me at 62 + points earned in that time, however if I continue to miss another run or so I will continue to get -points on top of total points + points earned on attended runs, temporarily that is until you get more consecutive runs(1 month) etc.

that way, we justify what we did right now and erase the negatives and have a fresh start, but we will continue the points reduction system to "encourage" ppl to attend sky runs, but they will have a chance to recovered temporarily lossed points if they attend consecutively otherwise they faced a handicapped lot with their -points.

What do you think?

[Danden]

Wouldnt this just create a situation that the people that are already loaded up with points basically just get a free pass until the people ahead of them get the items they want?

New people coming in who are consistantly showing up to farm, and work for the items they seek would basically just be putting on a really long layaway system. For example. Birgitte had 100+ points for w. legs. If new person came in how long do you think it would take to catch up to that, mean while birgitte was unable to simply say "hey i cant make it tonight." actually she wouldnt even have to say anything. She just wait till its her turn to lot, and then show up.

Yes i am new to the ls, and yes i am low on the totem poll. I may look like a ass saying this but it is a concern. I understand people have real lives, and do like to do things outside of the game. But the people that are showing up should not have to pay for it. I have missed 2 events already. Took my -1 point, and the only person to blame for that is me. (only lost -1 point because i told birg i was missing a event). It wasnt Spoots fault that i missed a sky run cause my computer crashed and the POL server wouldnt accept my GamerTag on xbox.

This wont raise a concern for sea since everyone starts with 0 points, but when a points are already in high numbers for sky, it can create a uneasy situation.
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[Birgitte]

Basically only a few people lost a large amount of points. I know Amu lost alot around like 10ish or so cuz he kept just not coming.

I don't mind wiping the points clean honestly because people like Gaaara and Wie have only lost a few.

The point deduction didn't come into play until March before that we NEVER had any deductions - we relied on people to come.

Now, if people stop coming again because there are no negatives - then we can reinstate the rule or what not. But for now - we are going back to the way it was before - when it was more fun. As long as people don't take advantage of that rule. I still insist that if you aren't going to be there - you let me know whether in game or out if you aren't coming - I will tell you straight if we need you.

I refuse to have another sky time when we have something we need alot of people for and then they don't come. It was back in Febish that we had Suzi's w/o RDM/DRKs and Kirins were sched then canceled cuz ppl didn't show - if this ever happens again - I'm gonna let DT reinstate the rule because obviously that shows that it did its work.

I know alot of people can't make it some nights because of work -but generally I know when they can't make it and when they can so I specifically schedule events around that as I can. I don't like to waste all the time and effort that we put into this. So for now - all I'm asking is to respect each other and come when you can so this can be fun for everyone and we can all work together to get each other the items we want - and I expect this to carry into sky as well.

Thank you.

[Nuisence]

Pitching in my two cents. Most of us do have lives outside this game. I have a really demmanding job, a loving girlfriend, party friends (everyone knows I party my ass off) and I go to college and still I find time to meet everyone's needs, including those of SOI. I agree with the -1 attendance points just like MOST of us do. Most of us that find time from our busy schedule and go to work tired in the morning because we stayed up late in sky. So I don't think hanging out with your friends and getting drunk on weekdays is an excuse. There are no LS events on Fridays or Saturdays, which are the regular days to party. I love you guys, but I'm going to say this, and not for personal reasons either, but taking away minus points from someone that has been out partying during SOI events while others spend 3 hours + in sky is kind of unfair. I don't care if you're the founder of an LS or a senior member, if other people spend more time and are more commited than you in sky, they deserve those items more than you do and if you rather go out with friends during SOI events while others are busting their ass in sky, then you must not really want sky items that bad. I don't see what the big fuzz is about anyway; eventually, everyone will get their items, whether it's today or a year from now. I'm going with Andrake's attitude on this one "We'll eventually get it (gear)".

[Birgitte]

Pitching in my two cents. Most of us do have lives outside this game. I have a really demmanding job, a loving girlfriend, party friends (everyone knows I party my ass off) and I go to college and still I find time to meet everyone's needs, including those of SOI. I agree with the -1 attendance points just like MOST of us do. Most of us that find time from our busy schedule and go to work tired in the morning because we stayed up late in sky. So I don't think hanging out with your friends and getting drunk on weekdays is an excuse. There are no LS events on Fridays or Saturdays, which are the regular days to party. I love you guys, but I'm going to say this, and not for personal reasons either, but taking away minus points from someone that has been out partying during SOI events while others spend 3 hours + in sky is kind of unfair. I don't care if you're the founder of an LS or a senior member, if other people spend more time and are more commited than you in sky, they deserve those items more than you do and if you rather go out with friends during SOI events while others are busting their ass in sky, then you must not really want sky items that bad. I don't see what the big fuzz is about anyway; eventually, everyone will get their items, whether it's today or a year from now. I'm going with Andrake's attitude on this one "We'll eventually get it (gear)".

I understand Nuis - trust me I do - thats my stance in general - its 2 freaking days a week that aren't even the weekend - show up - seriously. Im not taking it away for Gaaara's sake. Yoyo also brought up the point that the way sky was before was - if you started to become a shaky member didn't show up were flakey etc. - we just booted your ass. And we shouldn't deduct points because that makes it become like a job and no one wants 2 jobs.

I want you guys to come for the fun of it and to help each other out. If people start to become flaky - we will just boot your ass unless you talk to one of us leaders about it. A huge total of points wasn't lost from anyone except a few people that pretty much don't come anymore and I'm going to boot next time I see them because that is the way we were and I want us to go back to being an LS that shouldn't punish people for not showing up once in a while - we should punish people that are complete flakes.

I still stand by my - if you show up without telling me or someone to tell me - I am gonna beat you as in cuz I'm expecting you to come. If this starts to be a huge problem again - we can reinstate negative points. But for now - Imma give you all the benefit of the doubt. Just keep in mind - if you are out doing stuff too frequently when we want to do things - you will no longer be welcome among the harder working members of this LS.

-Birg

[Yoyosendak]

I am no against punishing people with -pts

If someone is with the Sky team and logged on during the event hours and doing soemthing other than Sky. I think it should be -5 automatically, unless a prior approval is obtained from the leaders. This just shows they are not part of the team period.

This is not to say that people must log in and come all the time, if you log on and didn't want to come to sky, ask if you are needed or not. If the leader asked you to come, then you have to. If you're not needed, then it's fine. People run sky knows your character well. If you had a bad day and really don't want to come, we can all understand that. If they think you are gaming the system, they'll simply tell you not to come anymore. It's simple, we are here for fun and mutual benefits. If you don't understand how to appreciate the system, then good luck somewhere else.

But if they are not online, they are not online. Taking pts off because people are not even online is not cool.

[Birgitte]

I am no against punishing people with -pts

If someone is with the Sky team and logged on during the event hours and doing soemthing other than Sky. I think it should be -5 automatically, unless a prior approval is obtained from the leaders. This just shows they are not part of the team period.

This is not to say that people must log in and come all the time, if you log on and didn't want to come to sky, ask if you are needed or not. If the leader asked you to come, then you have to. If you're not needed, then it's fine. People run sky knows your character well. If you had a bad day and really don't want to come, we can all understand that. If they think you are gaming the system, they'll simply tell you not to come anymore. It's simple, we are here for fun and mutual benefits. If you don't understand how to appreciate the system, then good luck somewhere else.

But if they are not online, they are not online. Taking pts off because people are not even online is not cool.

Yoyo likes to give me headaches and confuse me.

Not exactly sure what you mean. - I mean if someone is online during sky and we ask them to come up and they don't I'd boot their ass right there. Seriously - we had the -2 point for being online and not coming up rule when asked but I never had to give that out - I don't think anyone left in this shell is like that. The ones that were - are gone.

Now I'm assuming you are only for losing points if they are online and don't come. But don't want people that aren't online to get penalized. At least that is what I got from you the times that we have talked about it. And basically that is what we will do for now - I'm just hoping people will still be considerate and let me us know when they can't come esp when we are relying on them to be there.

If this becomes too much of a prob I can prolly dig out my old hard drive and find the old spreadsheet and put the negative points back in and do negative points in the future for ppl that abuse our generosity but not enough to make it a kickable offense. I know most of you - I hope you maintain the attitude you had before and don't abuse my leniency.

[Danden]

this is a question for yoyo. Are you basically implying this is a social linkshell? If you had a bad day, shouldnt have to show up? May be short on numbers for farming because you had a bad day? Or you had a bad 2 weeks and can come back and win W legs before someone who has been dedicated to farming? We all have friends in the ls, but as friends/rational thinking people that you get what you deserve. What you give is what you get.

If you had a bad day and really don't want to come, we can all understand that.
It's simple, we are here for fun and mutual benefits.

When you dont show up because you had a bad day, that is not being in the ls for mutual benefits. That is thinking of yourself, and being inconsiderate of others. Most times after a bad day, ill log on and try to talk to my friends to relieve stress. Most people joke around and get my mind off things. Hence its a game, playing for fun.

Im sure when people applied to this ls, for at least some, it was with the intentions to participate in end-game activities. When you sign up for something along those lines, or agree to participate in it; and expect to get gear from those activities, you continue to participate in those activities. If you need to take a break to go and spend time with friends and family, or more time on a job, then i thought you would say to the leaders i need some time away and dont want to lose points. Im pretty sure the leaders would have no problem with that. But cant plan to do Kirin events when people are not coming due to having a bad day at work, or my buddy tyler is having a bash.

[Yoyosendak]

2 things we should be clear in order to move forward

1. SOI suppose to be an end-game shell with a semi-relax and cheerful attitude towards this game. Keying on the concept Teamwork

People come and work togather and progress in the game, the more you come, the more points you get, the more stuff you got.

2. I strongly believe that we attract people to come participate in events not solely because they want gear, it because your friends are there. Keying on the concept Friendship


That being said, everyone has bad days, if they really have a good case of why they don't want to come, base on point 1., we should extend the curtesy to them, after all, this is a game.

Please be clear about
I, You duty to participate (As you signed up with us)
II, Our allowance/tolerance of your [whatever] reason/excuse

To force someone to come basically violates point 1. How do you force teamwork?

To penalize your friend just because of [whatever] basically violates point 2. If your friend had a bad day, you gonna give em more crap about rules and attendance??? or whoever's petty theory about what rights based on whatever contribution?

With those 2 guiding principles, we started our end-game events.

If those 2 guidelines is not what you've expected, you need to rethink if you joined the right shell.


Respect and allowances go both ways,
you can take some and you must give some

Notice all the things I said above speaks nothing of rules and regulations. If you live by those 2 guidelines, the point system is just an easy way for us to organize who gets what in what order

[Nuisence]

I think a bad day should be considered a good enough excuse not to come to sky. However, I have to say yet again that hanging out with your friends and go out drinking isn't. Unless you had a bad day and you try to "fix" your problems with alcohol... in that case, seek help. lol
I know Yoyo isn't like this though, he has other reasons :).

[Yoyosendak]

I just want people to understand, Birgitte spend a lot of effort in getting the events organized and if you haven't organized an LS before, you'll have no idea how stressful it is.

I don't want to see her stressing about having to come up with rules and enforcing them. Every rule is extra work for Birg, extra explanation, extra time to deal with people's emotion.

It is SOI member's duty to behave like an adult and self-regulate, Birg should just focus on the administration of it.

If you want to complain about how we do things, think about what have you done to compensate us for organizing the events, maintain records, deal with people's childish propensity.

[Birgitte]

I just want people to understand, Birgitte spend a lot of effort in getting the events organized and if you haven't organized an LS before, you'll have no idea how stressful it is.

I don't want to see her stressing about having to come up with rules and enforcing them. Every rule is extra work for Birg, extra explanation, extra time to deal with people's emotion.

It is SOI member's duty to behave like an adult and self-regulate, Birg should just focus on the administration of it.

If you want to complain about how we do things, think about what have you done to compensate us for organizing the events, maintain records, deal with people's childish propensity.

Yeah you all suck sometimes.

Don't be a tool and act like a child.

I know its asking for a lot - but I am sure one day - you can do it.

[silenttrain]

Even though i'm back i wont be around for sky till later in the year. I work at night

[Ghostwalker]

shoulda posted this l;ast week but it is set in concrete now...

my new job has me scheduled to work through sky times as they are now.
sorry guys but until my schedule changes (not for the next month atleast0 i will have to take a break from SOI siky. if i get the chance i'd love to get back into it.

PS same goes for limbus ><;;

[Mirodin]

Well you got to do what you got to do. Good luck at your new job.

[Florella]

Same goes for me. I've been on nights for awhile now, and could only come to some events, but now I spend my days off with ghost, because we don't get to see each other very often anymore. Sorry guys :( Maybe we'll see you down the road.

[Mirodin]

Well best wishes to you guys.

[Daemun]

Don't be a tool and act like a child.

I know its asking for a lot - but I am sure one day - you can do it.

never...

[Daemun]

Spreadsheet needs horrendous updates..

The More You Know http://www.graphicsbydezign.com/images/clip-art/star-black.jpg

[Mirodin]

naw i think im good

[Mirodin]

Spreadsheet will be updated when I get home totally forgot.

[Clouse]

Spreadsheet will be updated when I get home totally forgot.

I heard zand hasen't been on lately, makes me first for fast panties hai?

Edit: why is ren such a whore, he's one of the most viewed on ffxiah today.

[Mirodin]

Yeah have to lot against a couple others though. Updated spreadsheet.

[Clouse]

Taco Taru and Gatto, eh?